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Post by darkelf2x1 on Aug 29, 2005 19:53:10 GMT -5
authorization from PaladinBlue
discussed in this thread would be a comparison of weapons and vehicles / weapon systems
Ex.
statement: a gundam can defeat an eva unit
justification: a gundam such as wing zero is equipped with a dual particle beam cannon which can easily take out an entire colony, as seen in episode 5-6 a particle beam weapon can disable an eva unit
...lets try to make our explanations logical
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Post by Jeditrooper on Aug 30, 2005 18:14:18 GMT -5
Just because I can....
*Ahem* I am going to have to disagree with that statement to a degree.
In Space, Gundams (Or even a simple Mobile Suit for that matter) would have a huge advantage over an Eva Unit. Unless the said Eva unit can somehow be equipped with external boosters, and had consumed an S-2 engine, therefore rendering the use of the umbilical cord unnecessary, (I believe so anyway..)...it would be pretty much helpless. Even with a weapon such as the positron rifle, or the Lance (The former just being to unless in the near zero G of Space, and the fact that a large power source would be needed to be carried into space, and the former...you pretty much get one shot.) Also, we don't know how the Eva unit would hold up to the extreme cold of space, and events such as magnetic storms, solar flares, and micro-meteorites. As such...the Gundam would prolly flat out win.
On Earth however, the Eva unit, though it's projectile weapons are primitive compared to the Gundam's energy weapons (And even the particle rifle needs to be charges, and I be hard pressed to hit anything with the Lance), the Eva is much, much more agile and maneuverable then a Gundam operating in the atmosphere. While the beam rifle is a formidable weapon, the Eva unit would just be too fast for the weapon to acquire it. Also....there's the fact that Gundam armor can be damaged by projectile weapons. Not much...but some. Also, you have the N2 mine. A Gundam can't take a hit from a nuclear weapon, so it is pretty much guaranteed that a hit from an N2 mine equals vaporization for the Gundam. (Though...an Eva Unit I doubt could take many hits from a thermonuclear weapon either....but I know of only one Gundam that held nuclear weapons, and that was the Gundam stolen by Zeon in 0083. On the other hand....the N2 mine was used several times.)
In space...the Gundam wins.
On land however, the Eva Unit 99% of the time would have the upper hand at close range or medium range.
[/nerd]
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Post by PaladinBlue on Aug 30, 2005 18:30:38 GMT -5
Don't forget about the AT Field, Jedi. If it was strong enough, it could withstand even a Dual Buster Rifle shot. Not to mention, it can also be used as a powerful weapon. As for being able to withstand a nuclear blast, it's directly stated that an Eva can indeed survive such a thing (episode 7), though how many times is not revealed. Furthermore, in ep. 19, Unit-00 survives a nuclear blast from an N2 mine that it was holding; however, it hurt enough to allow Zeruel to pierce its head, so such a close blast may give the Gundam an upper hand for a brief moment.
I have to agree that a Gundam would definitely win in space, because an Eva isn't designed for space combat. If any one of them could even stand up to a Gundam in space, it'd have to be Unit-01 with its wings, and I doubt it can move very fast with them. On land, the situation is pretty much reversed. Most mobile suits have difficulty moving well on land unless they hover. The Evas, being biological, can move like a human could at that size. In addition, Evas are all but impenetrable by all but the most powerful conventional weapons. Cannonfire, ATG missiles, and capital ships have been shown to be completely ineffective against them. The only way a Gundam could hope to harm an Eva is with beam weaponry, and most of those would falter at the existence of the AT Field.
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Post by Jeditrooper on Aug 30, 2005 19:13:29 GMT -5
And I don't want to think what a Prog Knife would do to Gundamium Alloy.... But, while, yes the Eva Unit can take a hit from a N2 mine, remember, N2 is a "non-nuclear" weapon. Prolly some kinda of Sub-atomic weapon. Plus, it had only the power of your standard hydrogen bomb. A multi-warhead thermonuclear ICBM of Soviet design (They built most powerful bomb known to man....so the Nuclear weapons carried by the Zeon Gundam quite possibly be many many more time powerful then even an N2 mine) pretty much would spell death for both the Gundam and Eva unit, no matter how strong the AT field. Plus, throw in the huge amounts of quite hazardous radiation...you could have a problem. Also, while your most likely right, a Beam Cannon hasn't been tested against an AT field, so we can't say for sure what would happen. While the energy would most likey disspate after the first shot or so, the strain on the Eva Unit itself might cause the AT field to falter. Also...the beam sabers of the Gundam's come to mind. (Eypon's saber most likely do the most damage) But...the Gundam most likely couldn't touch the Eva on land...so those fact's don't matter to start with.  |
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Post by darkelf2x1 on Aug 30, 2005 19:22:00 GMT -5
...well in EoE they were shocked that the evas continued to function in orbit so im guessing that they cant...although the fact that they did continue to work...
and since we are going to let sw come into play i would counter with
genesis
or
libra main cannon
...the n2 mine seems more of a tactical weapon with yield of say 10-5 kilotons (im not sure)... so a megaton yield weapon may be able to penetrate...
projectile weapons have been shown to penetrate an at field so a shipborne MAC cannon may be able to penetrate (if its a single eva) a orbital mac gun would definitely be able penetrate (3000 tons of tungsten carbide travelling at 40% the speed of light with an AI doing the firing solution...if it can take out a fully shielded covenant vessel it can probably take out an eva)
or say a guymalif (xaibak) the liquid metal claws might also be able to penetrate an at field
...i really cant challenge the statement that on direct land combat an eva would pawn a gundam
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Post by PaladinBlue on Aug 31, 2005 0:34:36 GMT -5
Topic moved to General Discussion for following reason:
While it has a "vs." in the subject, this is no Vs. Thread of the true nature. I am classifying this type as general discussion because it presents a scenario for members to weigh and discuss one hypothetical situation over another, and not the moronic Vs. Threads that the Battleground is meant for.
Also, darkelf, I checked the Guidelines to be sure, authorization is only required in the case of a Board War, not a Vs. Thread.
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Post by Nephthys on Aug 31, 2005 8:55:02 GMT -5
I'm not gona go into the looooong details I posted on AU when the subject of Gundam vs Eva came up, but I did a rather lengthy analysis that basically stated that it would be a standoff between Unit01 and Wing 0 that would mostly wreak havoc on the area near the battle. It's true that the Eva has the AT field, and there's only 1 weapon in Wing 0's arsenal that stands a meager chance: the twin buster rifle. If that can't penetrate the AT field, then there is nothing in it's arsenal that can defeat the Evangelion. However, with the Wing 0's Zero System controls, I doubt that any of the weapons in Unit01's arsenal can hit it. It's suggested in Gundam Wing that the Zero System gives the pilot a sort of "prophetic" ability to see the opponets actions ahead of time. That, coupled with the fact that i don't believe any Gundam pilot would be retarded enough to engage in a land battle with the quicker and more agile Eva unit, pretty much leads me to believe it would end in a standoff.
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Post by darkelf2x1 on Aug 31, 2005 17:53:54 GMT -5
what do you mean by stand off
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Post by PaladinBlue on Aug 31, 2005 20:45:45 GMT -5
He means basically that neither mecha would come out on top. Essentially, both pilots would say, "Um, why are we doing this again?"
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Post by Jeditrooper on Sept 1, 2005 16:26:47 GMT -5
.........until I come in with the Death Star...and procede to smite both units on the planet.....muhahaha!
*watches X-wing fly down shaft.......quickly places an "Out of Order" sign*
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Post by darkelf2x1 on Sept 1, 2005 17:53:07 GMT -5
... i see your death star and i raise you shadow planet killer
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Post by nickxdifbb on Dec 1, 2008 2:12:00 GMT -5
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